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S 5 Go back <--- ---> Bottom of page You are not currently logged in  Author / Subject   Post  90210 S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 11 07 - 4:34 pm I doubt Sean's pubes are grey. modified: Dec 16 07 - 6:08 am GMT 90210 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 11 07 - 10:46 pm Best ep so far this season. NiptuckianSteph RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 11 07 - 11:03 pm Wow. I agree with the above poster. This is hands-down the best episode all season. It was exciting, nerve wracking, and it kept me on the edge of my seat. I loved every, single minute. I thought everyone's acting was wonderful tonight. Especially John's...just wow. That scene with Christian in the hallway before Christian threw him into the elevator...just wow. I had like 3 jaw-dropping moments this episode, and it's hard to really shock me when it comes to Nip/Tuck LOL I just saw the previews...no mention of Matt after that ending?? ~Steph Nip/Tuck Lover RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 11 07 - 11:03 pm Absolutely loved it. Best eppy for me since Rose and Raven. Julia was kick ass! Loved seeing the triangle together, I'm completely satisfied now! 90210 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 11 07 - 11:06 pm oh I pray we don't lose Matt..... veriluxxx RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 11 07 - 11:07 pm what was the song playing when sean meets up with eiden/aiden at the party? veriluxxx RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 11 07 - 11:07 pm also when sean is playing quarters at the party what type of prada sunglasses are those? 90210 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 11 07 - 11:09 pm and we've got a twilight zone twist too going on with the aliens Nip/Tuck Lover RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 11 07 - 11:14 pm I was too into the other stuff to really notice the alien story, sad isn't it? I can only focus on one thing at time. I'll have to watch it several times to catch most of it, then y'all fill me in on the rest...I think I have AADD. Christian threw that coffee and I ducked. I love it! Nip/Tuck Lover RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 11 07 - 11:24 pm I'm busting at the seams about Julia's strength this eppy and totally loving Christian and her together, even for a short time, I've waited 4 seasons to see them intimate..........I feel like a weight was lifted off me on this eppy. With Matt finally getting some tough love, seeing Sean playing young, Julia fighting back, the three coming together for Sean, Christian being the glue (who'd thought?) God, this was an excellent episode. jared RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 11 07 - 11:33 pm Where are all the kids.....? everybody but Matt have disapired.... veriluxxx RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 11 07 - 11:45 pm found the song its called moneymaker by rilo kiley 90210 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 11 07 - 11:47 pm As horrible as Kimber was to Matt could you see her face when she turned around not facing him. She actually looked like it was paining her to talk to him that way. dadezbombz RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 12:10 am hysterical to see matt on fire. sorry. lol. can't believe he was trying to make his own meth, haha. the part that was ironic the paper said "CAUTION: HIGHLY FLAMEABLE" etc.. oh man. poor matt. and kimber is turning into a wild and crazyyyyy character, alot more than i ever expected. nir085 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 12:29 am I agree with most of the above comments: tonights episode was just on the ball, no pun intended. It had everything a Nip/Tuck fan should want/expect to see: Kimber's patheticness going to far, softcore silliness, a crazy interesting sidestory, Julia becoming tough, Sean worrying about his age, Christian labeling Kimber as what she really is right to her face, cold honesty in general, and Eden. Any one else feel good when Matt punched Kimber? You knew it was coming and yet it was so cool because no character on the show deserves a punch in the face more than that whore. dadezbombz RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 12:31 am in reply to NIR- I would say she deserved a slap, but i actually like her character she adds some sassy-ness to the show, but, she is i think going to turn for the worse (then past seasons) in the preview for next week.. seanizhot RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 1:36 am GREAT EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOTS OF SURPRISES seanizhot RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 1:47 am I gotta say a few other things....lol IS JULIA EVER GONNA MAKE UP HER MIND????? She's all jealous now of Eden. What the hell???? She has so many issues Second, if Christian and Julia are having an affair and they don't want Sean to know about it, why are they meeting at Christian's house? Did I miss something or do Christian and Sean still live together? Maybe I totally missed that, I don't know. catwoman225 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 2:14 am Where to start?,, wow, wow and wow, how many story lines can we put in one eppy. Alittle heavy for me, I wished they would have extended one out alittle more. olivia and julia get carjacked, and let go, olivia is fine, julia buys a gun Kimber looks better after giving herself and jenna up to christian, who to me doesnt look like he really has jenna, but the intent was there and now there living with the porn maker and his WIFE BUSTY?? who is the nanny? ok Sean cant handle the mag injections and hope the FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH, makes his so called grey pubs turn brown and makes him more attactive to Eden who has to give him ESTACY just to make him have sex with her and he cant come anyways?? Julian teaches julia to shoot a gun? Just like that shes a pro? Some old guy gets a chip put in his back by ALIENS, but his fat daughter who hasnt seen him for months get the insurance bill a DAY after he gets let go and they let him go to someone who says shes his daughter but really not and they play the alzheimer game.. no it takes alittle more than that but nice try guys, Kimber has no scars on her face and looks like A MILLION BUCks in like what 2 days?? MATT GETS HIMSELF SET ON FIRE, does anyone else smell smoke?? Nice coffee throwing christian, talk about MATURE, comon that was kinda lame.L Lets all go see sean in the hosptial, cause were all a close family then make sure that hes not home AT HIS OWN HOME, when julia comes over to make love to chritian who by the way IS NOT A WOMAN LESBIAN. whewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww im not sure i can take all of this in, christan looked HOTTIE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, JUST DAMN HOT. king escobar RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 2:31 am This is horrible! I am on the edge of just never watching the show again. Writing getting a little sloppy... but that's not the main problem. Catwoman posted most of the same areas I am speaking about being sloppy writing. ...but The repetitive BS writing is the main problem!Julia AGAIN!?!? Why is she in LA I ask again, why is she not back in NYC!? I felt like never watching it again seeing her come to the door and say "take care of me, make love to me" to Christian. This is so played out and tiring! ...and then next week those two in Bed and Sean coming in the door, give me a break! I am sick! modified: Dec 12 07 - 7:32 am GMT modified: Dec 12 07 - 7:32 am GMT VivaLaDillon RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 6:19 am Very good episode best episode so far sucks for Matt though he'll make it through this (i hope) Onaree RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 8:35 am I just have three little words for this episode. OH. MY. GOD! This was an awesome episode. It so makes up for last week. How has Julian not won an Emmy? His acting in this episode was superb. The range of emotions was incredible. Loved, loved, loved the scene at the shooting range. He can teach me to shoot any day. Loved the scene in the hallway with Matt. It's about time! I thought the interaction with Kimber was great! Not that I'm a fan of Christian being with Julia, but the last scene tore me to pieces. The look on his face was to die for! thelifecoach RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 8:47 am I actually really liked this episode and I agree - it has throw backs to the basics of the show when it first began. Sean battling the youth thing was good. I liked the storyline - especially seeing a guy battle it always makes me feel better because normally guys just age gracefully and women battle it. As for him taking E, well, I'm sure it wasn't because that was the only way the two could have sex. I'm sure it was more of a "hey, Sean, take some E, its what all us kids are doing" type thing. That scene was pretty neat - sort of reminded me of a scene in the stage show RENT (if you've seen it, you'll probably know what I mean). Anyway. I liked it. I loved the storyline with Matt and Kimber - just because it is so interesting and is really showing the dirtiness of this problem....how meth can turn people to a horrible place. I thought Kelly did a good job because you caught these glimpses of her remorse. Oh well. I thought that Christian said that Jenna was supposed to be with Matt? I guess I got confused there. The scene where Christian throws the coffee at Matt...you know what.....freaking good for him. I was glad to see that. I was thinking "don't rescue him, he needs to learn". He needs some good tough love. Christian did that because he cares, not because he doesn't. I loved seeing Kimber come on to Christian and have him reject her. That was a good scene. As for the Olivia/Julia thing, well I really liked that part too. As for picking up a gun and being good at it - some people are naturally good at it. The scene where Christian was teaching her was great. it made so much sense for her to go back to him because he is so manly and protective and that whole incidnt really made her want that, need that. Whatever you want to say about Christian (man-whore, conceited, etc) he's always been protective of the family. I loved seeing Eden uncomfortable when Julia approached her. That was great. The alien sub plot - well, it was interesting I guess but unnecessary. It was also a little predictable. When the man was going on so much about it NOT being his daughter I just knew that was how it was going to pan out. I think thy could have just focused on the family issues and left that out. Maybe had Kimber be the only patient. As for the time line with the surgery and Kimber's recovery - well since the beginning we know that there's been a huge flaw in recovery time...no shocker there. I will say that I don't like how they just completely dropped th Kate storyline - I mean if Sean's still going on set, he's still seeing her. It would at least be interesting to see a little more of that. Also - we need more Liz. I love Liz and her character and we certainly could use some more Liz. Of course, is it just me or is Nurse Linda getting more air time? bignip RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 8:50 am Everything about this episode worked for me! I couldn't get enough of it. It had everything from previous seasons that got me hooked in the first place. Whether you care for Julia's character or not, the bonded trio is back! Even though they were brought back together by trauma, it seemed natural and believable. The way she called Christian first after the car-jack, then wanted the both of them to go gun shopping with her. Sean's X scare, the both of them come to his side. Yes! Julia is fiercely protective of Sean (ready to eat Eden), she still feels a strong sense of loyalty and emotional attachment to him. She longs for Christian's non-judgement of her and she's filled with "on fire" physical desire for him. (poor girl, still frigid in the bedroom, Christian has the right stuff...always did) Now, wouldn't it be just like Julia to be "in-love" with Olivia, emotionally loyal to Sean, and in "real physical need" of a man like Christian? I think so. <grin> Yep, therrrrrrre back! <amityville chant> This episode really did rock! I need to say more...no time this morning. <shrug> thelifecoach RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 8:54 am >>Now, wouldn't it be just like Julia to be "in-love" with Olivia, emotionally loyal to Sean, and in "real physical need" of a man like Christian? I think so. <grin> << I think you hit the nail on the head with that Bignip! Each one is connected to her in a different way and none could ever fully complete her. She loves Sean as family and has that parental connection to him. She lusts for Christian and his protectiveness, but Olivia provides the emotional, cultural "lets share our likes and dislikes" type relationship. love c.t. RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 8:57 am (( stands up to clap))) BRAVO!!!! I loved this episode the most so far, edge of my seat, shed a few tears for Matt, awesome!!!!!!! John's acting was so great, so believable there's no way he can't win some type of an award! 3 best moments..for me..of the epi: 1. Christian and Matt in the hall way. Christian treating Matt like a father trying to make his son wake up and take responsibility and be a man! It was so hard to watch tho wasn't it? Sad and made you really see Matt as pathetic more than any other moment....until... 2. until we see Matt at home trying to make his own meth. Setting the place on fire and himself. For a moment I really felt like they were going to kill him off, which made me cry! 3. Julia letting Eden have it....oh I was waiting for that!!! I was so rooting for Julia at that moment, loved the way she was telling her off. And it hurt MY face to see her grab Eden's the way she did! The whole show was great. The part where Kimber was getting all "dolled" up, what was that song playing??? I want to hear it again, kind of haunting! Loved the song that was playing (cant remember the name even though I know it) when Matt was making meth. Poor Sean, turning into an old prune, Christian trying to make him feel better...awww thats what friends are for! Oh I believed the old man! haha love c.t. RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 9:04 am oh yeah I was a little confused about where they were doing their "business"...where was Sean and Eden the 1st time?? in the office?? And Christian with Julia?? The tease for the next episode showed some interesting things didn't it??!!? Just a thought, when i decided to name my youngest from the Bible as I did my sons, I had considered "Eden". Wow, glad I didn't. hi bignip, and lifecoach, I see you are on this morning too. Candy RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 9:19 am I don't care if Sean's pubes are green with little red bows on them for Christmas. That man is sex on legs, and he's sweet--if a guy like that came into my life when I was Eden's age, and he was interested? I'd have been more worried about getting my hooks into him than what color his pubic hair was. Geesh. Sean did have gray chest hair last season (which I happened to really like, but that's probably TMI), so I suppose his other hair could be gray, too. The fact he's loaded doesn't hurt, either. That girl really is nuts. I hated Eden before, and now I just want to send her photo with her name and address on it to Quentin, with the caption, "For a good time, call..." She spends all this time trying to seduce Sean, and once she does, she humiliates him and dumps him? Did she slip him the ecstasy, or did he take it knowingly and I missed it? Thought the hospital scene with Sean was sad, and I wished he hadn't called Julia. She always has a few condemning words to say. I mean, yes, what he did was stupid, but people generally don't need to be told that what they did that landed them in the ER was stupid. Chances are at that point, they know. <LOL> And I'd say the humiliation factor was punishment enough without Julia's self-righteous fit. (She can bed 20-somethings, dwarves, serial killers, and lesbians, but let Sean screw a younger woman and there's hell to pay!) Glad Christian got him laughing a little and showed some support. Sorry, but the Julia/Christian thing is getting on my nerves at this late stage of the game, and the fact they're sneaking around behind Sean's back is ludicrous. They're all adults, no one's married anymore, so if they're going to do it, have the maturity to own up to it. And maybe avoid doing it in the same house Sean lives in. Hide it from him and yet wave it under his nose at the same time? Let me go off somewhere and try to figure out that logic... Or maybe they're just that selfish that they don't want to tell him and yet don't want to make a minimal effort to cover it up, either. It's not that he has a claim on either one of them, but with their history, telling him would be the right thing to do, IMO. I actually felt sorry for Matt, and that doesn't happen too often. Christian's tough love thing was a little over the top. I stand corrected that he's the parent to go to. Sean would have been a better choice. He might get mad or he might lecture, but he loves Matt and I think he'd have been more likely to try to get him into rehab than shove him out the door to figure things out on his own. Hopefully this will be the wake-up call that gets Matt on the road to recovery. Kimber better be careful about custody. If Matt cleans up his act, and he comes after her with his three parents behind him, a porn star and a porn producer probably won't fare well in a custody battle. The attack on Julia and Olivia was kind of anti-climatic, I thought. Julia's skeletal look was more unsettling than the bad guy. Bravo to Julia for refusing to use the toy on Ollie, even though it could have gotten them killed. Probably not a safe move from a survival standpoint, but an admirable one. (Yes, I'm giving Julia credit when credit is due <g>.) Overall, this was more like N/T. The alien thing was a little weird, but maybe the scientist knew something that some very earthly organization wanted him for. I think if I were Sean and Christian, I'd have contacted the old man's doctor before releasing him to those people. He didn't act like someone with Alzheimer's--he didn't repeat himself, wasn't the least bit confused about following directions (apparently, since they considered him competent to request and sign for surgery), could name the president, the year, make a comment about current sports events...if he had advanced enough Alzheimer's to be severely delusional, he would have shown other signs of it, too. Plus, there *was* a thing implanted in him--so he wasn't crazy or demented about that. Must be another instance of N/T not really knowing its disease of the week, like Kate's binge eating after gastric bypass. Looking forward to next week. cadet deming Most misogynistic Nip/Tuck episode ever? Dec 12 07 - 9:44 am Did anyone else notice this, but didn't there seem to be a repeated streak of misogyny in this episode? Christian tells Matt to "be a man..stop acting like a bitch" (ie a woman) Christian ridicules Sean for acting feminine by the treatments he's getting with Aiden (this coming from Mr. metrosexual-shopaholic-teeth whitening-nude modeling-tanning bed addicted-liposuction-getting-gigolo-narcissist himself????) Women are portrayed as being insecure and ungrateful (Kimber and Eden) to men (or in Julia's case, women too) who treat them well. Christian blames Olivia's breakdown during the car-jacking to "what did you expect for dating a woman". I'm sorry but an unarmed person, whether they be male or female is no match for someone with a gun. Otherwise.... Julia's character seems to be taking two steps forward and one step back. I was glad she finally showed some spine in standing up to Eden and the carjacker. And then she backslid by cheating on Olivia with Christian. Maybe she is doing it to get back at Sean for screwing Olivia? I was hoping Christian would turn her down, but I guess the writer's figured they could milk more out of an affair between them, I didn't like the way Olivia was demanding that Julia "choose her sexuality" between gay or straight. (hello, big bony pink bisexual elephant in the room!). People don't choose their sexuality-they can only choose who they date or have relationships with. And labelling herself gay didn't stop Olivia from going behind Julia's back to make out with Liz. Ironically, the drug issues seemed like the best/ most realistic part of this episode. It seems like the sex scenes have an element of fantasy to them, and the drug-related scenes bring a hash dose of reality. If Sean went to the emergency room for od-ing ion Ecstasy/ MDMA, wouldn't he lose his license to practice medicine? Nip/Tuck Lover RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 9:57 am I think Julia is doing what everybody wanted her to do. She got a backbone. She stood up to the car jacker, got pro-active and bought a gun (something Sean did when attacked by the Carver but wanted to condemn her for, double standard. Atleast Christian kept it real) got ahold of some Eden. She actually had Eden SHAKING. She fussed at Sean about Eden because she is still in high school & barely 18. Jude was man living on his own and most definitely older. Julia never cared about him with Kate, it is Eden's age and that she's her step daughter (in a sense) that is bothering her. She's a woman and knows exactly how these young gals act, she really is being protective. It yanked her chain that Eden put Sean's life in danger with the X and was laying out in the sun without a care in world. Julia really cares about him. Julia has always loved Christian and Sean. Both do give her something different that she needs. I hate that she feels that she needs to protect Sean's feelings by not telling him about CT, I would just let him know. I mean, what the hell, they are not married and CT & her do have a child together and over a 20 yr history. I really can't see Sean giving a damn since his main concern is getting back his youth right now. I mean, if he cares now its because he likes playing the victim card, 'cause I don't see passion/love between Julia and him, not for a long time. She is just his comfort zone. I don't understand why people are sick of the Julia/Christian affair. All that has ever been done with them is teasing the audience with a little hints of heat, but have never went there. Finally they are going there...I love it. modified: Dec 12 07 - 3:02 pm GMT 90210 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 10:59 am Someone wrote on here they were glad they didn't decide to off Matt. How do they know that? Unless you're going by the future episode. Unless someone finds him fast it appears he would just die in the pool - BUT that better not happen!! I think Sean finding out now about Christian and Julia will be worse because he will realize Eden was telling the truth and C continued to lie to him. Yeah, the old man even knew enough to recite some of the questions on the Folstein test. That's when I figured he knows what he's talking about. I think Kimber just "lied" again about giving up Jenna to Christian if he did her surgery. Excellent ep tho. Oh and pube hairs are the last hair to turn gray, that's what I've been told.... modified: Dec 12 07 - 4:06 pm GMT Nip/Tuck Lover RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 11:03 am “I will say that I don't like how they just completely dropped the Kate storyline” – Lifecoach Thank goodness she’s gone for now, Kate just confuses things for me at the moment, the plate is not only full, its overflowing. “Kimber has no scars on her face and looks like A MILLION BUCks in like what 2 days??” – Cat She didn’t have surgery, just some injections to puff the skin back and probably botox to keep it all in place. “I just have three little words for this episode. OH. MY. GOD! This was an awesome episode. It so makes up for last week. How has Julian not won an Emmy?” ITA, all of them should be at least nominated this year. Julian definitely needs to win one or more. …Did you see how pissed he got when he found out Matt didn’t get Jenna? Throwing that drink, grabbing him up and physically throwing him in the elevator. He was proud when Matt came to him early in the season with Jenna in tow being responsible then finds out he keeps dropping the ball over and over again. When Christian said he was gonna make a man out of him…I was like “Hell Yeah!” Give it to him straight, then support him when he comes around. Candy RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 12:05 pm NTL said: I don't understand why people are sick of the Julia/Christian affair. All that has ever been done with them is teasing the audience with a little hints of heat, but have never went there. Finally they are going there...I love it. ******* I think that's probably why I'm sick of it. We've heard about their "heat" since the first episode, and five years later, they're still dragging it out about will they or won't they, and then they do, but they're still hiding like a couple of guilty college kids and lying to Sean when there isn't even a marriage there anymore. It's not that Sean has anything to say about it, but when Christian knows Sean is still carrying a torch for Julia, if he's going to boink her (out of all the women on earth he could be boinking, it has to be Sean's ex, but that's another thread <LOL>), the mature, respectable thing to do as a friend is say so. Or if you're going to hide, don't do it in the same house where you live with your buddy so he can potentially walk in on it. It's probably just me. I reach a point with any plot of "do it or get off the pot"--it's why I stopped watching soaps. I could miss six months and come back and they were still whining about the same stuff. That's what this plot reminds me of--it's the theme that won't die--they don't get together but yet they don't end things. And Sean's always in the dark, and always in a position to be hurt by it because one or both Christian and Julia are lying to him. He might not have anything to say about who either one of them sleeps with, but it would hurt when the two people you're closest to keep lying/sneaking around on you periodically over the years. There's a line in the movie The Birdcage that goes something like this, "I know you want to get married, but how many lives do you have to destroy in the process?" That's what Christian and Julia's on again, off again *thing* reminds me of--they don't care who it hurts, how many lives it screws up over the years--and they're still at it, still sneaking around. oisforshutup RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 1:09 pm I absolutely loved this episode. Every episode this season (besides this one) has felt like it's just a preview for the next one. So this one.. was just awesome for me. On a side note, when they were in the ER room and Christian makes a joke: "It's like listening to Fall Out Boy." I was like 0_0. haha. Fall Out Boy is my favorite band, so just hearing them in there was like a dream come true - two of my favorites combined. Awesome. modified: Dec 12 07 - 6:10 pm GMT thelifecoach RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 1:18 pm I don't know. I still like the whole Jula/Sean/Christian storyline like NTL. I think that its all been build up and tension - and its all been this off timing - like when Julia wanted Christian, he was going to be with Kimber, when Julia wanted Sean, he was in love with Megan, when Sean wanted Julia, she liked Marlow, etc. It was all mismatched timing. I like the idea that no matter what Julia tries to do, she can't shake Christian. And no matter how many hot girls Christian is with he still only really wants Julia. That's why I loved that in the same episode he turned down porn star Kimber and openly embraced Julia. And Sean and Julia - well, its this weird relationship where they love and care for each other but no longer are in love. Which to me, is so real because I think that happens all of the time. I normally tire of storylines like this (Mer/Der on Greys anyone?) but I think that even though I've had issues with other past storylines, that the development of the relationships between these three characters (especially the foundations in seasons 1 and 2) really keep my interested and involved. Nip/Tuck Lover RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 1:31 pm “but they're still hiding like a couple of guilty college kids” – Candy That, to me, is what is fun about it. They have no real reason to be guilty, they are all unmarried, consenting adults, with other relationships coming and going. “but when Christian knows Sean is still carrying a torch for Julia” – Candy See, he’s not really. I don’t think Sean is IN love with Julia, not at all. I think he likes the comfort of her presence…occasionally. It’s like a habit he can’t break. I quit watching soaps for the same reason you mentioned. But since N/T is only on a limited amount of time each season, I don’t feel that it is anything similar. Sean’s being in the dark has a lot to do with his own personality. I really, really love the Sean character, but his flaws run just as deep as the rest. Julia is whiny, but Sean can give her a run for her money when he decides to be offended. By the way, The Birdcage is one of my all time favorite movies. Nip/Tuck Lover RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 1:58 pm "I like the idea that no matter what Julia tries to do, she can't shake Christian. And no matter how many hot girls Christian is with he still only really wants Julia." - Lifecoach YES! That is why its so satisfying now. I do wish I could get clarification on something. Sean and Julia planned to marry all along right? Christian & Julia slept together like one night right before the wedding because she had never been with anyone else, just to see what it would be like. Wasn't it during a cake tasting or something, Christian filled in because Sean was out of town? 90210 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 2:21 pm We get no episode on Christmas nite. Candy RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 2:22 pm Christian met Julia first, and then Julia met Sean, and they got engaged. Julia apparently felt the need to test drive Christian before she married Sean--but the story sort of changes over seasons. First it's the "I've never been with anyone else" thing on the eve of their wedding, then it became the cake tasting and too much champagne, which would have happened considerably earlier than the wedding eve. At another point, Sean and Julia discuss how they never would have married if she didn't get pregnant, and since Matt is Christian's, they had to have done the deed much earlier, before Sean and Julia were even engaged. So I'm not sure which story is considered the "official" version of how/when it happened. Unless Sean and Julia meant they would have backed out and not gone through with the marriage if she wasn't pregnant. Clandestine, on-again, off-again affairs have never interested me much in plot lines, so that's probably why this one doesn't hit the spot. I mean, it worked in "Now, Voyager" (that 60-some year old movie with Bette Davis and Paul Henreid who have this ongoing romance that is never able to be out in the open because he's married and too noble to divorce his wife, even though they have a pretty loveless marriage), but going by 2007 standards, for me, that sort of plot is just tiresome. If you're in love, and that's the only person you want, and you're both single, get together and be done with it, or drop it. There isn't the same reason to be clandestine or noble that there was 60 years ago. And any plot that just keeps getting revived and never resolved every season for five seasons is whipped, for me. I guess the flipside of that is that Julia/Christian fans have waited a long time for a little action, so the rest of us can survive a couple eps' worth. The Birdcage is a one of a kind movie, isn't it, NTL? <LOL> I just really wish Sean would take a sort of "who cares" attitude. I feel sure he won't, but it would be so refreshing to see him have the dignity not to let them feel they've destroyed him emotionally. I think what will bother him most is that Christian lied to him--there was that very obvious moment for Christian to own up after Eden said she lied, but Christian kept right on covering it up. I think the betrayal thing will get him more than the sex, but I could be wrong. Nip/Tuck Lover RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 2:43 pm Yes, the Birdcage was a hoot! I loved how the butler (I won't even begin to try to spell his name, lol) had to go around barefooted. Couldn't walk with shoes on...gotta love it. Anyway, I'm glad you answered the wedding question. Its been driving me crazy for years. Everytime I think I have it right, how things went, the show states something else. I also remember a time when Sean said to Matt he was premature (why they didn't circumcise him) I felt at the time it was hinting that she was 2 months along at the date of wedding. Maybe they were saying that to cover up her being pregnant. Maybe not. bignip RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 3:04 pm About baby Jenna. I was hoping that Kimber did sign her rights away (Nip/Tuck plot hole style) and Christian has Jenna with Wilber and the nanny. Christian doesn't want Matt or Kimber anywhere near his grand-daughter, so maybe the story Kimber told Matt was a lie. So, maybe Christian and Sean do have Jenna. Just a hopeful guess. If not, and Kimber double crossed Christian, I smell more trouble. Julia is going to lie and sneak around Sean when it comes to Christian because that's what she knows. She fought her desire for Christian throughout her entire marriage to Sean. Even though she's free to be with Christian, there's too much history between the three of them, some of it very hurtful. She's not going to want to revisit it. I'm convinced now, that since the first time her and Christian made love, the passionate sex was never matched by Sean. I don't think that she had a romantic love for Christian all of these years, but more of a passionate, physical one. She chose love over lust, and it was not enough to sustain her commitment to Sean, she knows if she chooses lust over love, it will bear the same result for her and Christian. For now, she creeps. If the Nip/Tuck Trinity <chuckle>.... is to ressurect itself, now would be the perfect time to do it. Especially with all of the family issues that are going to take a "village" to resolve. I could get into it again, as long as they keep adding the Mc/Troy boys in consultation and surgery together along with a few creative parallel story lines. I mean, fair is fair. Superchick RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 3:14 pm I watched the show, too, last night (Felicia -- temptation got the best of me.). John Hensley hit a home-run with his acting. Although I don't condone spousal violence, Matt was entirely justified in smacking Kimber's smug plastic mug. She brought the term bi*** to a new level telling her husband that she finally had her first climax in months with the porn director, and "I told you that I loved you, but it was a lie." Heck, I wanted to smack her, too. My heart was in my mouth when Mattie accidentally set himself on fire then jumped into the pool to douse it (fortunately, we know from the Conor McNamara 2026 eppy that he not only survived, but beat his addiction and turned out just fine.). Between Sean almost going into cardiac arrest after doing "X" to Matt and the crystal meth fiasco, this was one of the most powerful anti-drug messages I've seen in a while. Finally, we now know that Julia is not a true lesbian. Shame on her for screwing Christian in Sean's apartment and for cheating on Oli, too. >>I doubt Sean's pubs are grey<< Amen to that! Hysterical line of the night: "I don't date guys with grey pubes." Also, the carjacker/would-be rapist to Julia: "Are you the MAN?" Oh...the drama of it all. modified: Dec 12 07 - 8:18 pm GMT modified: Dec 12 07 - 8:20 pm GMT NiptuckianSteph RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 3:38 pm "I hated Eden before, and now I just want to send her photo with her name and address on it to Quentin, with the caption, "For a good time, call..." -Candy That one really had my rolling! LOL ~Steph 90210 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 3:56 pm Bignip - did you watch the previews last nite for the next ep?? Candy RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 4:17 pm That one really had my rolling! LOL ******* She wouldn't have the problem of gray pubes to worry about! bignip RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 4:20 pm 90210...Bignip - did you watch the previews last nite for the next ep?? As a general rule, I try to avoid them after the show on Tuesdays. It's that "spoiler phobia" I have. Usually by the time the next episode airs, I see them purely by accident. They're kind of unavoidable by then. Why do I get the feeling like I should have, last night? Give it to me, 9. lol modified: Dec 12 07 - 9:29 pm GMT 90210 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 4:37 pm Well I don't know if this means anything BUT they showed Kimber holding Jenna at, it looked like a party, a Christmas party, and everyones there and Kimber said do you want to hold her and I think Julia or someone said yes and Kimber said no. I'm wondering too how the deal was made that she would turn over Jenna's care to Christian for the surgery other than just her "word". bignip RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 4:41 pm Ahhhh.. Well, I guess that blows my little take on Jenna being with Sean and Christian, huh? Shit! 90210 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 4:47 pm It could have been a misleading preview. I was wondering what the others were doing at the same party she was attending and maybe they just let her hold the baby but since she is such a liar she probably didn't give her to Christian. Superchick RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 4:54 pm (With extreme sarcasm) Yeah, Scientology did a world of good for Kimber... Superchick RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 5:03 pm >>what was the song playing when sean meets up with eiden/aiden at the party?<< I thought it was "Do You Wanna Touch Me"? (I haven't heard that song in about 25 years!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIpHjUmyA6s&feature=related 90210 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 5:06 pm It was it was. I knew it was Joan Jett but didn't know the name of the song but it's posted in the Music thread now. Nip/Tuck Lover RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 6:07 pm When I saw that preview, I just wanted Julia to pull a Matt and smack Kimber upside that bleached head. Julia reaches out to take that poor sweet baby away from that porn party(?) and Kimber turns the baby away and says "NO!" Its times like these I wish somebody that worked for Child Services were around. I knew Kimber wouldn't fulfill her end of the bargain. Talkin' about somebody that can't commit to anything! She's so wishy washy with her life, not just love life, but it all. Well, I think Matt's saving grace was hitting rock bottom this week, and he really hit bottom. I also had serious Deja'vu when Kimber was telling him that she wasn't carrying his ass anymore...Ava said the same thing about the purchase of the plane tickets. Matt sooooo needs someone his own age, that is after he gets his life together. I'm really getting worried that the baby will die. I don't remember them mentioning Jenna at all during the future eppy and her life to date hasn't been safe at all. This is pure speculation...I hope my feeling is wrong. As far as Julia and Christian, yeah, I'm sure it will pain Sean, especially if they really are in love (but I don't see this as long term) but Julia was devastated when she found out that Sean was deeply in love with Megan, and they were still married. She got over it, they remarried, ended it again, remained friends. Surely Sean will reciprocate. bignip RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 6:18 pm NTL......When I saw that preview, I just wanted Julia to pull a Matt and smack Kimber upside that bleached head. LOL...Yeah, upside, backside, anyside! I'm worried about the baby, too. Especially now that I know that Kimber still has her. I'm not as worried about how Sean is going to take it when he finds out about Christian and Julia....as I once was. IMO, they are not hooking up for a shot at "happily ever after". If they were, I'd worry more. For now it looks like everyone is getting what they need. Of course in Sean's case, he was getting a little too much of it. Eden is a handful. Nip/Tuck Lover RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 6:24 pm "IMO, they are not hooking up for a shot at "happily ever after." - Biggie Exactly. You and I and them all know that its just to satisfy the current need. And, maybe, to check each other out. Curiosity really. The three of them are act more like siblings (okay, minus the sex, lol) than anything. They bitch at each other, try to be there for each other, love each other, hate each other, make fun of each other and everything in between. bignip RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 6:37 pm A few things that I caught and got a giggle out of. "Double-Daddy" "Alaskan King Crabs" "Crack Whore of the Month Centerfold" He had a few more, too, I just can't remember them. Edit...How could I forget this one, it was my favorite for the episode! I should have mentioned it, first! When they removed the chip and Sean tells Liz to "send it out"........the way she quips..WHERE????? modified: Dec 12 07 - 11:52 pm GMT Superchick RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 6:50 pm >>"Alaskan King Crabs"<< I agree, Biggie. HA! loving Nip/Tuck RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 7:56 pm I just think no one delivers those zingers and one liners like Chrisitan!! Everytime I see an episode written by Brad Falchuck, I know it's going to be an emotional episode! I wouldn't consider this episode as good as Joel Gideon or Sean McNamara, but it was filled with lots of intense moments. Perhaps too many. First I have to say I hated the patient!! That plotline was stupid and needless and didn't really fit in with the doctors at all! Julian totally outdid himself in this episode, and I really enjoyed seeing Christian confident and more like the character we all know! Loved the fact that Christian mentioned how he was saftey obsessed after his Carver attack, BUT what was with the memory lapse where Sean was concerned with the writers? All Sean could do was ponfificate about guns to Julia after her carjacking? HELLO? Some of the best moments of Nip/Tuck were of Sean holding a gun on Escobar, ready to kill him, and then of Sean thinking of using the same gun on the Carver. That part of the episode just did not ring true to me. I had to giggle the way Julia was so territoral about Sean to Eden. Come on! The woman only wants him when they are divorced, and he is with somebody else. Besides which, if Julia had shut her mouth, the whole Eden/Sean thing would have burned itself out. Eden was just starting to see Sean as just a lay, and now I bet anything, Sean's even sexier to her now as it bothers Julia. Speaking of sexy, yummy Chrisitan!! Wow, his tough love approach was just what Matt needed. Chrisitian really was scary, considering how he had been abused as a young boy. He really has a soft spot for women in distress and Julia with her "make love to me, take care of me" fits the bill. Oh God! But it was great to see Julia show some backbone. I feel totally sorry for Baby Jennna and I hope Christian raises her: but it looks like Kimber pulled the old cross double cross. Speaking of which, Kimber's going to live with Ram? Does Busty know about that? modified: Dec 13 07 - 12:58 am GMT bignip RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 8:04 pm One more one-liner..... A Republican is a Democrat who's had a gun pointed at them. (interesting) Nip/Tuck Lover RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 8:05 pm very~ loving Nip/Tuck RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 8:09 pm I thought that was a great line! Nip/Tuck Lover RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 8:12 pm loving the eppy was entertaining! you mentioned the word 'intense' yes, very intense, I love it when I can't see whats coming around the corner. (especially if its Christian) loving Nip/Tuck RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 8:17 pm It was a very intense episode, and Christian was so compelling in it. Just fantastic how he stood up to take care of everything with Julia. And Sean too actually when he had that reaction to E. He was even taking care of bloody Matt, making that deal with Kimber, and giving Matt the kick in the ass he needed. My mouth hung open when he threw his coffee at Matt! Nip/Tuck Lover RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 12 07 - 8:36 pm I also like the line "leave out the back door, thats where we take out our trash" slammed! Avafan RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 13 07 - 12:38 am I watched the episode and I must say that it is definitely my favourite episode of the season.There was A LOT going on,I didn't even have time to think about the alien story but it's ok,that segment of the episode was boring.I'm glad they didn't get into it too much. Eden and Sean-Well that was WRONG!Ah geez,we saw it coming.Sean banged little miss vindictive,*virign*.Pfff I knew she was a liar.A virign,HA PLEASE!Not only does she screw Sean,she screws other older men too.Man,that girl needs to be punched in the face.And geez Sean,snap out of it!She is only using you.I hope that he stays away from her.Moreover,he took ecstacy and almost got a heart attack.Ah geez,Sean trying to act younger than he is.Well it happens to a lot of people.I hope that he wises up soon.Christian seems to be the more responsible and the wiser of the two this season. Julia and Olivia-Yet another week of Olivia doubting if Julia is a lesbian.Get into your head you idiot,Julia is not a lesbian!She seems aware of the fact that she is straight but still stays with her.I really don't get it.It's so obvious.And if Julia did love her,she wouldn't go running into Christian's bed for the second time.Anyway,I admired Julia's strength.She stood up to that psycho guy which was awesome.It was great that she stood up to him and he then drove off.GO JULIA!Now she has a gun and can definitely use it to her advantage.SHOOT EDEN!!LOL!Besides that,Olivia was really freaking out.After the experience,she was pretending that nothing happened.Poor Olivia,she's in denial.Well I have a surprise for you Olivia,Julia cheated on you....AGAIN with a MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!And not just any man,our sexy doctor Troy! Kimber and Matt-I personally found their seasons to be the most intense.They were my favourite scenes out of the whole episode.So they finally admit to Sean and Christian that they have lied and that they have a drug problem.Well,unfortunately it didn't benefit them.Sean and Christian refused to help them which was definitely smart on their part.These two need to learn to grow up.Then,our dear Kimber goes to Christian and tells him she'll break up with Matt and agree to let Matt have custody of Jenne if he performs her surgery.Of course,our dear princess lied.Ah Kimber,you're going to pay for what you did somehow.And wow she said so many terrible things to Matt.I'm not surpised that he punched her.Poor guy,he got betrayed,used and lied to for so long.He needs to stand up to her and get custody of Jenna.I can't believe she's living with Ram now and sleeping with him.The man's married Kimber.I don't see this turning out well.And ah,who can forget the ending?Matt goes complaining to Christian and Christian throws his coffee cup at him and tells him to grow up.Well Christian's right about that.Matt needs to grow up and stop letting women use him and step all over him.He needs some backbone!Moreover,he got caught on fire!I wasn't expected that!I wonder what will happen here.Hopefully,he will get the help that he needs. Eden and Julia-I am sooooooooo glad that Julia told Eden off!I loved how she screamed at her and threatened to have her sent away if she messed around.And oh man,when Julia grabbed her face Eden looked so scared.Ahahaha you better be scared you litte witch!Julia is a tough cookie when she gets angry.She has been messing around with the wrong woman. Julia and Christian-Well,I saw it coming.She called Christian instead of Sean to tell him about the incident.She hugged him right away.She didn't want to kiss Olivia when the pyshco dude asked her too.When she was practicing shooting with the gun,you could tell her by her facial expression that she wanted Christian badly.Ah Jules,just break up with Olivia and go with Christian for a while.See how it works.It's enough of her using Olivia and sleeping with Christian whenever she gets the chance. Alien storyline-It was ok.I knew that the girl wans't his daughter.Of course Christian and Sean didn't believe him but he turned out to be telling the truth after all.I wonder what will happen to this old man. All in all,it was a very good episode.It was great to see all that drama and intensity!The characters did a great job,especially Matt and Kimber.I love when they are in the episodes,it always turns out to be good! modified: Dec 13 07 - 5:50 am GMT LH-C RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 13 07 - 12:48 am What a crazy episode! I wonder WTF is going to happen with Matt! On the lighter side, how come I never noticed that Bradley Cooper is seriously hot before this episode? I've seen him on other stuff, and always thought he was very average. 90210 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 13 07 - 1:04 am Christian seems to know his limits and Sean just doesn't..... How bout the line leading up to the king crabs comment, "I wouldn't stick my dick in that cesspool of a vagina" I think somehow Jenna will end up with Christian and Sean because they will have Matt on their side in a custody battle. I don't really think the baby will die even tho she wasn't mentioned in the future ep but that could be because they hadn't written the part OR they didn't want to spoil it for us by telling us that early there was a baby girl. who knows tho. bignip RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 13 07 - 8:30 am LH-C.. On the lighter side, how come I never noticed that Bradley Cooper is seriously hot before this episode? Hi, LHC! Good to see you, again! You probably never noticed because you never saw him in his mini briefs spreading his legs apart doing ballerina stretches, before. <giggle, snort> Even Sean looked a bit uncomfortable when he was doing that! bignip RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 13 07 - 8:55 am 9....I don't really think the baby will die even tho she wasn't mentioned in the future ep but that could be because they hadn't written the part I agree. Not mentioning children is quite common in this series. We've gone long periods of time with no mention of Annie, Conor, Wilber and sometimes, Jenna. The fact that she wasn't mentioned in the future episode doesn't convince me, either. I liked your comments about Sean and Christian getting custody. Matt has pretty much sealed his fate, for now, when it comes to Jenna. A meth-lab??? Not a good daddy! Kimber, although she's into porn, will not come out looking as bad as long as she's still in treatment and clean. As long as baby Jenna is NEVER on the porn set and is being cared for in the "nursery", it will appear that she is providing well for her daughter. I'm no family court judge, but I have a sense that her profession will not be a deciding factor. Now, we're going to have to depend on Christian to do the dirty work in order for him and Sean to get custody...and we all know that Kimber made a really stupid move by blowing Christian off. I'm not worried about Christian going up against Ram, either. Ram's biggest interest is in Penetrate. He'll have Kimber whether she gets Jenna, or not. If for any reason Ram takes pity on Kimber and decides to help her, Christian will find a way to settle the score with both of them. <evil grin> bignip RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 13 07 - 10:05 am cadet deming..... And then she backslid by cheating on Olivia with Christian. Maybe she is doing it to get back at Sean for screwing Eden? I was hoping Christian would turn her down, but I guess the writer's figured they could milk more out of an affair between them.....I didn't like the way Olivia was demanding that Julia "choose her sexuality" between gay or straight. ...... Cadet. I've been wanting to mention how much I appreciate your posts every week. Your perspectives offer so much in the areas that are not quite as clear to me. Thanks. I have some thoughts on why Julia cheated on Olivia, and I don't believe that it had anything to do with Sean. I believe that Julia's relationship with Olivia has never been about whether Julia can admit to being gay, or not. It matters to Olivia for reasons that are not clear to me. Love is love. <shrug> IMO, Julia falling in love with Olivia was the first time she's fallen in love with someone that she can relate to as an "equal". Something that she felt deserving of in her marriage to Sean, but it never happened for her. Another short-coming in her marriage to Sean, as well as in her relationship with Olivia, was/is the passion. (which is why they were out shopping for sex toys, Olivia even said as much) This is no reflection on Olivia, or Sean, but it is a reality for Julia. As far as Julia is concerned, Christian is the "real deal" in bed. She's known it and felt it since her first experience with him. She fought it for years....to the point of becoming frigid. In Christian's big, strapping arms, she can feel cocooned from the ills of the world, and have that world "rocked", passionately and sexually. Now, during and after the hi-jack, Julia needed to feel some sense of protection, for herself. It wasn't there. She found herself assuming that protective role, and providing it for Olivia ..( "are you the man"??) I'm sure it was a natural response for Julia, but she needed it for herself, too. However, Olivia fell short of providing it. Of course, Christian took the opportunity to remind her just how Olivia did react (weeping and gasping for air, uncontrollably). He said something about "not relying on a woman for that" (para-phrasing,here) For Julia, buying the gun would not be enough, either. She went to the one person who she knew could provide what she really needed....Christian. He not only provided the protective comfort she needed, but fulfilled her ever burning desire for passion. IMO, Julia's feelings for Sean are on more of a loving, loyal and protective level. Although she's never cared for his judgemental ways, which is why she chastised him about Eden. I don't think her motivation as a result of Sean's actions, went any further than that. With the exception of scaring the shit out of Eden. <evil smile> modified: Dec 13 07 - 6:22 pm GMT cadet deming RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 13 07 - 11:45 am Thanks Onaree RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 13 07 - 3:52 pm Still reflecting on the episode. (Can't get the look on Christian's face when Julia appeared at the door out of my head) Christian usually likes to be the pursuer. You'd think he'd turn down Julia since she's suddenly coming on so strong. But, then he has been pursuing her for quite some time. bignip RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 13 07 - 4:24 pm Onaree, I know what you mean about "that look". It makes you kind of flutter down deep in your gut. Even though you're looking at his face, you feel it, more than you see it. Very intense. I caught it just as he closed the door. <deep sigh> modified: Dec 13 07 - 9:30 pm GMT catwoman225 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 13 07 - 9:06 pm i soooooooooooooooooooo told you julia is a learning lesbian,,,,, AS THE QUOTE FROM MY FAVORITE REALITY SHOW GOES.. "your either In or your Out" 90210 RE: S5.7 - Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 13 07 - 9:47 pm Auf Wiedersehen! dkny BIGNIP & LIFECOACH Dec 14 07 - 12:33 am Genius Posts! << Now, wouldn't it be just like Julia to be "in-love" with Olivia, emotionally loyal to Sean, and in "real physical need" of a man like Christian? I think so. <grin> >> << "I like the idea that no matter what Julia tries to do, she can't shake Christian. And no matter how many hot girls Christian is with he still only really wants Julia." - Lifecoach >> The show is back in a big way, finally focusing on the love triangle again and themes that made it great to begin with it. I'm just sad we won't get a full season of Julia & Christian because of the strike... The 'Alaskan King Crabs' line was one of the best ever. Candy Forbidden Fruit Dec 14 07 - 8:39 am I think Julia loves what she can't have, and tires of what she does have, even if it's what she professes to want. When she was married to Sean, all she wanted was Christian. Then she wanted a career and not to be a stay-at-home mom. She whined tirelessly about her lost career in medicine. But she never followed through on med school and then sold her shares in the spa to be...drumroll please...a stay at home mom! If Sean died tomorrow and there was no reason for her not to have Christian, no one there to find out, nothing to make it "forbidden"--I think she'd dump him in a heartbeat, because she's never happy with what she has. She wasn't happy until she got rid of Sean, she didn't find any happiness with any of the men she was with, and now she has a lesbian girlfriend who's really in love with her, and she's not satisfied with her, either. And she doesn't care how much she hurts her by screwing around with Christian. I don't think Eden's the lone ranger in liking forbidden fruit. I'm beginning to think that's Julia's hang up, too. Jude, Marlowe, Christian...they were all "naughty" relationships for one reason or another. Even Quentin was someone it was awkward for Sean and Christian for her to be dating. Olivia is a departure into a different lifestyle, but now she's getting boring because she loves Julia and wants a committed relationship. I think it's probably why Kevin the Zennis player didn't last--there was no reason for her not to be with him. So is Julia the one with the biggest problem with commitment, maybe? Just some random thoughts... LH-C RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 14 07 - 12:03 pm bignip said - <<Hi, LHC! Good to see you, again! You probably never noticed because you never saw him in his mini briefs spreading his legs apart doing ballerina stretches, before. <giggle, snort> Even Sean looked a bit uncomfortable when he was doing that!>> I actually missed that part! I only saw the last half of the show because I was at work so late! Good thing it's on again tonight and Sunday. The scene that had me going 'Damn...' was when he and Sean were at the other doctor's office getting those treatments. 90210 RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 14 07 - 1:14 pm THat Aiden is a trip, on the set and off. I guess Julia learned nothing from her "dream" when she was under in "Julia McNamara". It appeared she did at the time tho. loving Nip/Tuck RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 14 07 - 4:06 pm Ooh, great post Candy. Your observations about Julia are right on. The woman is just not happy with anyone...she won't be until she is happy with herself I think. And you are right too, 9, she should have learned that lesson in Julia McNamara. Superchick RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 14 07 - 6:03 pm >>As far as Julia is concerned, Christian is the "real deal" in bed. She's known it and felt it since her first experience with him. She fought it for years....to the point of becoming frigid. In Christian's big, strapping arms, she can feel cocooned from the ills of the world, and have that world "rocked", passionately and sexually. << In the words of Paris Hilton. Bignip, "That's hot." Like me, you are one of the older fans (40+) on this Forum, but you've obviously "got it goin' on...". bignip RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 14 07 - 7:21 pm Superchick..... Like me, you are one of the older fans (40+) on this Forum, but you've obviously "got it goin' on...". You know what they say, once you learn how to ride a bike. BTW, (40+)? <chuckle> Sounds good, I'll take it! lol mattfan1 RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 14 07 - 8:55 pm eden is so freakin gorgeos !!! i love her sexy attitude ! anyone agree ?? 90210 RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 14 07 - 9:18 pm well ya know someone said or posted that she had been on The OC and I have watched it twice going on 3 times now and I don't remember seeing her. 90210 RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 14 07 - 11:54 pm I just watched the episode again and Julia never says anything about Sean sleeping with 2 other younger girls. What she said was "yet another barely legal girl" which only would refer to the one, Monica. also, what do you think Eden fixed that Julia is eating, do you think she poisons her?????????? modified: Dec 15 07 - 5:02 am GMT loving Nip/Tuck RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 15 07 - 11:24 am Julia eats? modified: Dec 15 07 - 4:25 pm GMT modified: Dec 15 07 - 4:26 pm GMT bignip RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 15 07 - 1:35 pm Good one, loving! I bet rather than poison, it's "E". BTW, Richardson really does need to gain weight. I don't mean to kick the girl if she's down, but it's extremely obvious, and it's effecting her looks. Either that, or she needs more makeup and a serious change of wardrobe. 90210 RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 15 07 - 2:48 pm YOU may be right Biggie!! I never thought of that. And watching Julia chew and eat the cookies or whatever it was looks like someone who hasn't had a bite in ages, disturbing, this was the preview tho. Why would Julia trust anything Eden gives her to eat????? bignip RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 15 07 - 2:53 pm She shouldn't trust her, 9...that's for sure! We all know how manipulative Eden can be, perhaps with the holidays "good will toward men", and all....Julia may be in the Christmas spirit? 90210 RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 15 07 - 3:05 pm And again, after seeing the previews again last nite, why are they all at the same Christmas party with Kimber??? Seniorlurker RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 16 07 - 12:47 am Just saw a lovely film (Return to Me) with Joely in a small part at the beginning. She actually looked lovely--her face was fuller making that nose look smaller, and she seemed to have some weight on those bones. That woman needs help. modified: Dec 16 07 - 5:49 am GMT 90210 RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 16 07 - 12:55 am The movie with Minnie Driver and David Duchovny? I saw that and did not know she was in it. Must watch again. Did she play his dead wife?????? I just looked up her role and she had same last name as David's role so I'm assuming she was the wife. This was pre-NipTuck days when I saw it. modified: Dec 16 07 - 6:03 am GMT Seniorlurker RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 16 07 - 12:58 pm Yes, she was the deceased wife whose heart had been transplanted to Minnie Driver. She was only in the beginning scenes. I love this film--the four old guys are wonderful, and of course I adore gorillas. It was on the other evening--AMC I think. Joely looked absolutely skelatal in scenes this week when she was packing to leave Olivia! Good grief, how would Christian ever make love to that? loving Nip/Tuck RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 16 07 - 3:15 pm Oh that film sounds lovely! I must see it. Joley did look very frail and almost sickly last week--I noticed when the car jacker made poor Olivia and Julia strip. I think the weight loss is making Joley look older than she actually is also. catwoman225 RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 16 07 - 10:40 pm and TV makes you look 10 pounds heavier they say,,,,,,,,, yikes julia Superchick RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 17 07 - 6:58 am >>why are they all at the same Christmas party with Kimber???<< Maybe it's a "Hearts & Scalpels" cast & crew Holiday party and somehow Ram Peters had an "in" for being a big H'wood producer. I mean, it's not as if S, C & J would attend a porn party together. bignip RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 17 07 - 10:17 am Candygirl.....I think Julia loves what she can't have, and tires of what she does have, even if it's what she professes to want. When she was married to Sean, all she wanted was Christian. Then she wanted a career and not to be a stay-at-home mom. She whined tirelessly about her lost career in medicine. But she never followed through on med school and then sold her shares in the spa to be...drumroll please...a stay at home mom! etc.etc.................. As I've gone through all of the past seasons, I would agree that every word (and then some) of what you say, is all true!!! lol However, at this point, CAN it be time for us to be able to see in Julia what our beloved major characters see in her? If not, are we going to risk missing the boat on how important her character is? Now, before you eat me for breakfast <chuckle>...perhaps she's a bit more complex than we give her credit for. I mean, she's been the only woman so far that appears to have found a permanent bond when it comes to our two inseparable "heterosexual men who love each other". It cannot be just about giving birth to their children, or else the child support would be all there was to it. Because of the bond between Christian and Sean, Julia has been "less than the third man out" since the beginning. So, no matter what, she has never been complete with just one of them. Nor can she handle having them both in the capacity that appears to complete her, as a woman. She's out there floundering, trying to find "one love" that makes up for the combination of the two of them,.... yet, she is unable to put both of them out of her life in most likely the same way that Sean and Christian are unable to put her out of theirs. There's lots of love there that takes on different forms at different times, between the three of them. So, what gives? Maybe RM needs us to consider that there must be more to Julia than the whining, bitching and blaming? Perhaps I'm seeing something that may not be there, because I don't want to risk missing it... just in case it is there. <scampering away before Candy gets back> modified: Dec 17 07 - 5:14 pm GMT Nip/Tuck Lover RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 17 07 - 10:42 am There's really no point defending Julia. When Julia shows inner strength, people put down her looks. When she looks stunning in an eppy, people put her down for weaknesses. When she's being a good mom, people put her down for being an ungrateful wife. When she buys a business, she's neglecting the children. She sells the business to be available for her very needy child and she's just using her husband's money to live high on the hog. I think I should just stay out of these threads... LH-C RE: Forbidden Fruit Dec 17 07 - 11:22 am I rewatched it on Friday & Sunday. Powerful stuff. My take on the whole patient Dr. Lee and how it relates to this episode is how you can be easily fooled into thinking something that isn't real, when whatever is is staring you right in the face. OMG Bradley Cooper - What more can I say? bignip RE: Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 17 07 - 12:00 pm There's really no point defending Julia........I think I should just stay out of these threads... NTL!!! No way! Not a good idea. lol It's your perspectives that have often times caused me to rethink my opinion of Julia. We need true fans who see things differently enough to put themselves out there, especially when the general opinion is headed in a totally different direction. I admire your ability to see through a lot of the negativity about her character (that most of us generalized about), in order to see what our boys see in her. I'm willing to consider that we may have missed it. Stand tall, girl.........it's not like we're talking about "you know who"..LOL! We've got a lot of Nip/Tuck stock invested in Julia. There' s a reason for that, I'm sure. modified: Dec 17 07 - 5:15 pm GMT Candy RE: Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 17 07 - 1:59 pm Bignip bravely steps forward into the Julia discussion with: <g> "CAN it be time for us to be able to see in Julia what our beloved major characters see in her? If not, are we going to risk missing the boat on how important her character is?" Honestly, I've tried to see it, and I can't. I keep chalking it up to one of those inexplicable chemistry things and leave it there. Someone (maybe it was you?) mentioned that they see in her the young woman she once was, and maybe that's why they're hanging on to her, because she's part of that "simpler" time? I just can't sympathize with Julia. I agree it's high time we unraveled the mystery of what the guys see in her, and I would like to know why RM thinks her character is captivating enough (either physically, sexually, intellectually, or in personality) to hold the place she holds with the guys, beyond mothering their children--they often talk about Matt and parent him as if Julia was a surrogate, and not a parent. Her character is important because of the position she's always given between Sean and Christian. I just can't grasp why she's there, and I understand it less the longer the show goes on. I know what you're saying, Bignip--you feel like there oughtta be something really obvious there, like one of those puzzles where you're supposed to see a certain figure or pattern, but you just can't. Personally, I think it's her history with each of the guys that keeps them both hanging on. They're competitive as hell, and as long as she's screwing around with one or the other, I think she'll be attractive to both of them. That's just my theory--I could be way off, but it's the only one that makes sense to me. There was almost relief in the conversation Sean and Christian had after finding out Julia was with a woman--as if they could finally stop trying to one-up each other with her. And then she starts things up with Christian again, and we'll be back off to the races... <sigh> There could be something meaningful in the constant repetition of the same life patterns (the triangle that won't die and the three of them seemingly trapped in it--like people are doomed to keep making the same mistakes), but for me it just gets redundant, especially without understanding the lure of Julia. I think if I could see that, it would make more sense to me. bignip RE: Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 17 07 - 2:27 pm .....Bignip bravely steps forward into the Julia discussion with: <g> ..... Thanks for letting me stay in one piece, Candy. lol .....Honestly, I've tried to see it, and I can't. I keep chalking it up to one of those inexplicable chemistry things and leave it there..... Well, we know it's a sure bet that the chemistry is there, whether we see it or not. .....Someone (maybe it was you?) mentioned that they see in her the young woman she once was, and maybe that's why they're hanging on to her, because she's part of that "simpler" time?..... That was Superchick. That gave me something to think about, too. ..... I agree it's high time we unraveled the mystery of what the guys see in her, and I would like to know why RM thinks her character is captivating enough (either physically, sexually, intellectually, or in personality) to hold the place she holds with the guys, beyond mothering their children..... Precisely! I'm convinced RM doesn't just think it, he knows it... as well as he knows our boys. .....I know what you're saying, Bignip--you feel like there oughtta be something really obvious there, like one of those puzzles where you're supposed to see a certain figure or pattern, but you just can't..... Yes! And if not obvious, then something we can spot with just enough effort....kind of like "Where's Waldo" <giggle,snort> .....There could be something meaningful in the constant repetition of the same life patterns (the triangle that won't die and the three of them seemingly trapped in it--like people are doomed to keep making the same mistakes), but for me it just gets redundant, especially without understanding the lure of Julia. I think if I could see that, it would make more sense to me...... Fair enough, Candy! Until then, I think I'll be giving more credit to NTL and others who have seen it differently enough to give us a little something else to consider about Julia. modified: Dec 17 07 - 8:07 pm GMT 90210 RE: Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 17 07 - 3:11 pm Wasn't everyone's, almost everyone's, favorite seasons One and Two?? Well Julia was a big part of those and if she was removed the show would lose something for me. I want her on the show. plain and simple. loving Nip/Tuck RE: Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 17 07 - 5:05 pm Well, you have given me something to think about NTL and Biggie about Julia! Honestly, I LOVED Joley Richardson's portrayal of Julia in Julia McNamara of Season 2. She really showed her acting chops there, and really shone. Perhaps the reason why I liked it so much was that it was because Julia was well represented in it and the character was written so well! Most of the time, I do not feel the character of Julia is as well written as Sean or Christian. We've gotten to see Julia the wife, or Julia the mother, or unhappy Julia: But we've never really seen Julia herself. Does that make sense? So many times we've seen Christian as himself, or the Sean with no barriers: But with Julia, we've never seen the woman who Chrisitan and Sean fell in love with at college. We had heard in Mandi and Randi, how Julia was confident, how happy she had been, we heard on numerous times how she was even smarter than Sean in her school work. I just wish that Nip/Tuck would let us see more than the Julia that reacts to situations, the Julia inside. I would love to see the Julia character as well written as Christian or Sean is. Nip/Tuck Lover RE: Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 17 07 - 6:29 pm Well, it's like I've tried to explain before, apparently unsuccessfully, that they all have flaws. Julia's flaws are the least lethal of the bunch...yet she rarely gets break. Her issues are way more 'unforgivable' in most people's eyes and I can't, for the life of me, understand why. If you don't like her, then say "I don't like her", but to see this character picked apart like road kill when the rest of the crew have childhood excuses, yanks my chain. Yes, its the writers fault for not exploring her history more, giving her the same 'out' as the others. But they did try in episodes involving Erica, which with a mom like that I'm surprised she's not worse, but it had little impact on the viewers. Erica was like Christian, superficial and likeable. Which appealed to the viewers, so they looked over it. I think a lot of people love the guys so much that Julia was a irritant to them, maybe jealous that this woman has so much power over them to be so fragile and flawed herself. As I've said before, they all have issues, I guess it all boils down to which character has what problem and what bothers us the most. Julia doesn't bother me much. She's the most human in the bunch. Christian breaking so many women's heart bothers me more, BUT, he's got charisma and damn good looks so I make an exception. See, I think since Julia isn't as smooth or as good looking as many have pointed out (her boney body, big nose, large hands, shaking, ect) she's like the poor girl on the playground everybody picks on, easy target. What I see when I look at Julia is a woman with a huge monkey on her back. She knows she will never meet the standard her mother set for her, she lacks self esteem. She knows she’s not perfect yet was married to a perfectionist for 20 yrs, that has to wear on someone, I don't care who you are. She never pursued Christian because she knew deep down she wasn't sexy enough (no one is) to keep him, yet she has longed for his passion. I think she now feels like throwing it all to the wind because age is creeping up on her, just like the boys. And if she's going to venture out to new relationships, its now or never. Her story is in the shadow of Christian and Sean, but it is reflective of what is going on in their lives as well. They are trying new things, she is too. Christian tossed around his sexuality last year...now she is. Sean has gone younger, she tested that too. Sean done the nanny, so did she. They boys were attacked, got guns to defend themselves. Now she is empowering herself in the same manner. I just hate the double standard. We all have opinions and the freedom here to state whatever we want about these characters, its just for me, it brings me down to see so much biting negativity about one character. LH-C RE: Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 17 07 - 6:36 pm <<I just wish that Nip/Tuck would let us see more than the Julia that reacts to situations, the Julia inside.>> I think the Julia that stood up to the kidnapper is the real Julia. Nip/Tuck Lover RE: Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 17 07 - 6:59 pm "I think the Julia that stood up to the kidnapper is the real Julia." I believe that too, LH-C. Julia just needs a push now and then. I thought she was very brave to hold in the news about Conor being deformed when I know, as a woman thats been pregnant, I would've fell apart and cried with anybody willing to listen. She was being fiercely protective of that baby knowing Sean would push for an abortion. She stood up for Sofia Lopez in her only group of friends, because it was right. She gave that "but I'm not your bitch" stance to Quentin. Quietly handled the Escobar situation, who would put the fear of God in anybody. Helped the boys get Ava out of town, now Eden. She has a backbone, she just bows it out when needed. catwoman225 RE: Dr. Joshua Lee Dec 17 07 - 7:54 pm OMG, I THINK I JUST FOUND A GRAY PUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LH-C Matt Dec 17 07 - 7:59 pm Goddamn it when is Matt going to get a backbone?!? I love Matt and all, but he is so weak. Plus, he's a hardcore liar and he's prone to violent outbursts. Candy RE: Matt Dec 18 07 - 12:40 pm NTL Said: As I've said before, they all have issues, I guess it all boils down to which character has what problem and what bothers us the most. ***** I think that's exactly it. Or, it could be that people hold her to a higher standard because she's supposed to be "good"--a wife, a mother, a "good character." Look at how Sean gets nailed to the wall in forums for each one of his sexual proclivities, when he couldn't possibly top Christian's record of promiscuity or depravity if he lived to be 100 years old and screwed 24/7. He was married for 17 years during which he never strayed, he apparently didn't get much action in college, to hear Christian tell it, and we could count the women he's slept with during the series pretty easily if any of us had the inclination to make a list. He's never put a bag over anyone's head, never traded a woman for a sports car, never done two women at once, and his worst downfall seems to be the inability to have a one-night stand without something emotional preceeding it or following it--I'm not saying he's a choirboy, but for purposes of analogy, he gets slammed for a couple of "barely legal" indiscretions when Christian did it with two teenage girls in the second ep of the series! It could be that Christian's just a lot more popular than Sean so everyone gives his behavior a pass, or that we've come to expect that kind of thing from him. People have mentioned before in this forum that Sean gets more criticism because he's supposed to be the "good" one, or because he puts on more of an innocent act. So Christian gets away with more because it's par for the course and he doesn't apologize for it or try to hide it? I'm wondering if the same isn't true of Julia--that she's presented as something wonderful--since Sean and Christian are convinced there's something wonderful about her, we're trying to see her as wonderful, and that makes her faults and flaws glaring. What so special about her that these guys can't move on from her? That's an enormous expectation to put on a character. Or maybe it's because so much of her "flawed" behavior impacts Sean and Christian. When she "acts badly", it hurts one or the other or both of them--right from when she fires the first coffee mug in the pilot to the various times we've seen Sean or Christian on the receiving end of hurtful words or actions. When she lashes out, she hurts one or both of the two most popular characters. The biggest conflicts of their lives have been because of Julia, like she's this point of conflict that keeps them from harmony (not that they'd ever be harmonious and *not* chewing on each other about something, but the whole Julia issue is the big thorny and potentially destructive one). Again, could any character in that position end up popular? ***** NTL Said: Julia doesn't bother me much. She's the most human in the bunch. Christian breaking so many women's heart bothers me more, BUT, he's got charisma and damn good looks so I make an exception. See, I think since Julia isn't as smooth or as good looking as many have pointed out (her boney body, big nose, large hands, shaking, ect) she's like the poor girl on the playground everybody picks on, easy target. ***** Honestly, looks don't play a big part for me in this part of things. Sure, I'm attracted to Sean's character, for example, partially for his looks, but I love the character for so much more than the gorgeous package Dylan Walsh puts him in. I don't care of Julia looks like Ichabod Crane on a bad hair day, it's what's inside her, and how she treats others, that gets under my skin--I feel like Sean and Christian have underlying streaks of kindness in them, but I don't feel any of that warmth from Julia. I could take all of the physical things, because people's standards of physical beauty vary, and how you look is more an accident of nature than anything that should be the yardstick by which you're measured as a person. I'm just not drawn to anything about her personality or her nature, which wouldn't inspire all that much analysis and nitpicking from me if she wasn't portrayed as someone so captivating that neither Sean nor Christian can ever be truly done with her. So it does go back to what Bignip said--we need to see what the guys see, I think. thelifecoach RE: Matt Dec 18 07 - 4:55 pm Also - on the whole Julia thing: Isn't that the way it is for MOST women? You are damned if you work and have a family and you're damned if you have a family and don't work and your damned if you work and don't have a family. That's just the way it is. Such a double standard for guys. If a guy doesn't have a family he's a "playboy" and a "go getter" or if he stays at home and does the family thing then he's heralded as being such a sweet guy. There are generally never those same expectations on men as there are on women. But I guess that's life right? Maybe (just maybe) we're all "hard" on Julia anyway because here she is with the two guys we are drooling after both wanting her and she's having these issues....we are putting ourselves in and saying "well if I was Sean's wife, I would do _____" or "if Christian wanted to me with me then ______" Hehehehehe. Haze RE: Matt Dec 18 07 - 9:54 pm I loved this episode. Sadly, I don't think we will be seeing Matt all next episode. I doubt he is dead or something, I just don't think we will see him next episode. DOes it bother anyone else that we will never hear about the alien story again? Just like that hispanic kid from season 3. catwoman225 RE: Matt Dec 18 07 - 10:41 pm MAYBE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, just maybe WE ALL WISH WE WERE JULIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Candy RE: Matt Dec 19 07 - 9:01 am I think it's true that since Julia's in such an enviable position (having the ability to pick and choose between Sean and Christian) that she's subject to some stringent criticism by all of us who are judging whether or not she's worthy to be in that position. You'd expect someone amazing to achieve that hold over both of those guys. Plus, if you've got a close partnership/friendship, the woman who forms the triangle and causes strife between them often isn't popular with a big contingent of fans. I'm waiting to S&C to have their "Starsky & Hutch" moment. In that show, both guys fell for this female detective and went through all kinds of angst and conflict over it (and she was playing them off each other to some degree), but by the end of the ep, they essentially gave her a shot at a threesome, and when she refused, they shrugged and walked off with an arm around each other, leaving her behind. Not that I want to see a SCJ threesome, but that moment of deciding enough is enough would be really refreshing. Incidentally, though she was only a guest on one ep in four seasons, the character who came between S&H is probably the most hated among fans, maybe even more so than the crime boss who nearly killed Starsky. I just think Julia is doomed with many of us because of the position her character is in--and because she is the biggest danger to S&C's friendship. bignip RE: Matt Dec 19 07 - 2:13 pm Candygirl...I think it's true that since Julia's in such an enviable position (having the ability to pick and choose between Sean and Christian) that she's subject to some stringent criticism by all of us who are judging whether or not she's worthy to be in that position. You'd expect someone amazing to achieve that hold over both of those guys. Plus, if you've got a close partnership/friendship, the woman who forms the triangle and causes strife between them often isn't popular with a big contingent of fans. Candy! Perfectly put!!! If I could have included those words in my last comments about Julia, I would have! Again, I just want to add that it may be about time that we consider seeing her as our boys see her. stevecoy RE: Matt Dec 21 07 - 12:23 am They went overboard with the meth scratchies on Matt's neck. I knew straightaway he was going to catch himself on fire, but it was sweet to see him jump into the pool. I haven't seen this week's episode, but so far I really like this season. Every episode has produced some "oh shit!" moments. And that's not including the hot tub scene. And Christian's Fall Out Boy line was probably my favorite line on the show ever. I think when you turn 18 you should have to sign a form stating that you will not purchase any Fall Out Boy-related paraphernalia. Sorry I haven't had much to say this year. I'm still alive though. lateralus821 RE: Matt Dec 21 07 - 8:45 pm How do you doubt Sean's pubes are gray? Go back to season 2 episode 10 when he's about to bang the Kimber RD you can see some of his chest hair is gray. 90210 RE: Matt Dec 21 07 - 9:37 pm Well I'm a LOT older than he is and I was told that the pubes are the last hairs on the body to turn. His hair isn't all gray yet anyway. I think it may hit around the 60's of age. catwoman225 RE: Matt Dec 22 07 - 8:30 pm i like seans hair chest color and i dont care if his pubs are GREY, BLUE OR PURPLE, AND HE CARRYS A PURSE........................... hes just damn HOTTNESS!!!!!!!!!!!! Nip/Tuck Lover RE: Matt Oct 09 08 - 12:02 am ya know....shitty season, after shitty season...but I do love this episode. I caught it late tonight on my pc, trying to chill before bed, now its got me wanting more. Damn...I really needed the sleep. 90210 RE: Matt Oct 10 08 - 12:44 pm that's funny, time does fly on the computer. Go back <--- Add a reply ---> Top of page 0.125 sec